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Regards,

John M. Drake

--- Dirk Harms-Merbitz <dirk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Chasing C implementations of committee standards is
> problematic
> because it leads to unavoidable bloat and uglyness. 
> 
> 
> ColorForth exchanges source code so we cannot hide
> the uglyness 
> in object code.
> 
> But with a network connection we can hide the
> uglyness in a Linux
> box.
> 
> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:53:32AM -0700, John Drake
> wrote:
> > 
> > --- Jack Johnson <fragment@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote:
> > > > What will you do about Flash? QuickTime? Real?
> > > > 
> > > > If people are willing to code for colorForth
> then
> > > please
> > > > do not try to emulate Linux. We already have
> > > Linux.
> > > 
> > > I have to nitpick here.
> > 
> > I hope you don't mind if I nitpick on top of your
> > nitpick.  :-)
> > 
> >  
> > > There are a number of CF enthusiasts who would
> like
> > > to be able to read 
> > > various file formats for various reasons.  Some
> > > excellent examples of 
> > > needing JPEG encoders/decoders would be
> interfacing
> > > with digital 
> > > cameras, foundation for a Web browser,
> > > interoperability with legacy 
> > > systems, etc.
> > > 
> > > That's not to say that we all need them -- that
> they
> > > should be made part 
> > > of ColorForth proper-- but there can be value to
> > > sharing code for things 
> > > that get repeated often.
> > 
> > Taking this argument to its logical extreme does
> > ANY graphics file format need to be part of
> > "ColorForth proper", even one that's newly
> > invented?  You've listed some applications
> > where a JPEG decoder would be nice.  But there
> > are many applications that don't require
> > graphics at all.  For example, any device
> > designed for the blind.  In that case speech
> > synthesis would be vital.  Speech regonition
> > would be nice.  Any graphics decoder of any
> > kind would be dead weight.  I think it's
> > important to keep things modular enough to
> > add in what you need when you need it.
> >  
> > > Something else to consider is that though many
> of
> > > these legacy systems 
> > > come with a lot of baggage, they also come with
> a
> > > lot of history.  Sure, 
> > > we could all roll-our-own audio compression
> scheme,
> > > but psychoacoustic 
> > > compression is extremely efficient and extremely
> > > difficult to do from 
> > > scratch.  The ability to read format X doesn't
> turn
> > > CF into Linux, it 
> > > just makes CF that much more useful when looking
> for
> > > a solution to a 
> > > problem.
> > 
> > My thoughts exactly!  It's one thing to come up
> with
> > your own graphics format because you have some
> actual
> > thoughts on how to do it better.  It's another to
> > come up with a graphics format just to be
> different
> > from Linux.  (And Windows, and Mac, and iTV 4os,
> > and Oberon, and QNX and every other operating
> > system on the planet that supports JPEG.)
> >  
> > > I mean, come on, you might as well make the
> argument
> > > that we shouldn't 
> > > have a mouse driver because that would make us
> too
> > > much like Windows.
> > > 
> > > -Jack
> > 
> > I suppose you can put the computer in the mouse
> > like Jeff Fox.  :-)  (I'm still impressed by that
> > demo.)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > John M. Drake
> > 
> > 
> > 
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