Re: MISC-d Digest V99 #69

["vic plichota" <atsvap@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

>As in we want a few hundred million to
>start with then if we like them we will make
>a big order.  These are the kind of embedded
>market deals that drive the market.  Remember the
>total embedded market is billions of units per year.

Yes, but...  most of the $ are tied-up in the military / aerospace
regime -- "billions [sic] of units" perhaps, but how many of them are
toaster-ovens and VCR's, etc.?  We need imagination to establish
*new* markets, sell at decent margins, and win worthwhile royalty
payments or stock dividends.


>If you know Forth you can write good Forth in ANS
[snip]
>One of the obvious directions of Chuck's idea of Forth

Fuck ANS, fuck Microsoft, and fuck Chuck too -- I have implemented a
couple of maverick FORTH variants which (despite their obvious flaws)
I have been happy with, and always got the job done -- the trouble
lay with establishing faith, and trying to get paid for going the
full distance.  Bless ChuMoo for inspiring me, but I take credit +
blame for my own work.


>>Chuck also felt that ANS Forth was missing out
>>on some good innovation like @+ which could help
>>write faster code without needing super-optimizers.

Yeah, like something as simple as "subtract-reverse" AKA "SWAP -"...


>That is true he did make that point.  As he said if you
>use it it will signifigantly change the style of your code.

Yes.  As far as I can see, the whole FORTH ideology is:  "roll yer
own".


>But I ack that my perspective is extreeme.


ditto   - vic